Utah to use execution by firing squad on Friday

[SumoNinja]

An educated response. Murderers have been successfully rehabbed through behavioral modification techniques. A person is a dynamic, changing being and can be molded. Just like Skinner's rats pulling a lever for a treat, man learns rapidly what sort of thoughts and behaviors are rewarding. The missing part is a closely-monitored environment where the man must take stock of his thoughts and behaviors every minute of every day. Left to ruminate, the killer will often think bitter thoughts and feel rage toward...targets. But just like the alcoholic (raise hand) who learns to capture and extinguish depressing thoughts through intensive behavioral rehab (raise hand), the killer can be changed into a functional member of society. They're already around. Look it up. But unfortunately the murderous mob of popular vote would rather treat life as worthless than exert the few resources necessary to improve it. Perhaps people are scared to ask, "If it was me on the stand." I don't know why everybody seems so slaughter-happy. I've never known. Even in my darkest day, I never sought the death of another.

That's what our taxes should be used for. Helping the oppressed. Duh.

EDIT: If I haven't had a drink in four years, he can quit killing.

i get where you're coming from but have you ever had a close family member raped or murdered? i wonder if you'd feel the same.

plus if there was a program asking for volunteers to house murderers once they've proved to be "changed" and are released, would you open your doors to house one or two? or what if one moved next door to you. would you make sure you locked your doors and windows at night? and would you invite them over for dinner from time to time?

just curious,.........

 

[West1]

Knifegill,

I come to my decision fairly quick for 2 reasons.
1, I put the shoes on of the victims family
2, he gets out or finally escapes... Who is next?

If you were a family member of the victims, how would you react or want him punished (not putting you on blast but trying to understand your point of view)?

 

[knifegill]

Hmm. I never thought that far. I've worked with ex-cons and veterans. I was more watchful, but not afraid. If I weren't married to a scaredy-wife, yeah. I think I'd share a room with a recovering killer. I hope I'm not using her as an excuse. Soul-searching time for knifegill...

I do know that if I were the killer, I'd want the chance, no matter how late it came.

 

[scriving]

light him up

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

An educated response. Murderers have been successfully rehabbed through behavioral modification techniques. A person is a dynamic, changing being and can be molded. Just like Skinner's rats pulling a lever for a treat, man learns rapidly what sort of thoughts and behaviors are rewarding. The missing part is a closely-monitored environment where the man must take stock of his thoughts and behaviors every minute of every day. Left to ruminate, the killer will often think bitter thoughts and feel rage toward...targets. But just like the alcoholic (raise hand) who learns to capture and extinguish depressing thoughts through intensive behavioral rehab (raise hand), the killer can be changed into a functional member of society. They're already around. Look it up. But unfortunately the murderous mob of popular vote would rather treat life as worthless than exert the few resources necessary to improve it. Perhaps people are scared to ask, "If it was me on the stand." I don't know why everybody seems so slaughter-happy. I've never known. Even in my darkest day, I never sought the death of another.

That's what our taxes should be used for. Helping the oppressed. Duh.

EDIT: If I haven't had a drink in four years, he can quit killing.

good for u! seriously no sarcasm.

But no thats not were i tax dollars should be. they should be spent on FF, police, emt, roads and other useful programs. They also should be used on rehabable criminals. NOT murders. sry but there are some that can be cured but murders like him, NO. Im sorry i just got a pay cut so a POS's like him can spend thier worthless decrepid life behind bars in luxury. that strikes me the wrong way. In many fire dept's ffs just got laid off. Baltimore jsut laid off something like around 100 firefighters. Prince Georges county regularly shuts down firehouses, and furloughs(unpaid days off) firefighters. Instead they put that money that could go there into worthless crap, such as this worthless creature.

 

[MadRussian79]

EDIT: If I haven't had a drink in four years, he can quit killing.

The pathology involved in these two acts are totally different. DSM-IV lists alcoholism as a substance disorder and this guy would likely fall under a personality disorders. Personality disorders are much harder to to treat and have very high recidivism. As far as modern psychology is concerned these are not comparable.

 

[fallin49er]

I had a long post typed up about the culture of poverty and how different people may or may not learn to control their emotions and set boundaries for actions. But no matter what I say, somebody will try to imply that I'm making excuses for him. If ignorance about raw human nature weren't so rampant, I'd say more. But since most of you probably have no idea what's it's like to be raised as an animal, there's no point. You want to believe people are born knowing right from wrong, but it's not true. We were born with raw, clumsy instincts that most of us learn to control and hold back. No reason to kill the innocent who haven't been fortunate enough to figure it out. That's probably more than I should say already, but I've got to say something.

And no need to bring any religion into this.

I don't understand what you mean by "no reason to kill the innocent who haven't been fortunate enough to figure it out". If you are trying to imply that he is a "victim" of circumstances then I strongly disagree with you. This guy made a decision to kill...period. Has nothing to do with humans being born with raw clumsy instincts.

 

[knifegill]

i just got a pay cut so a POS's like him can spend thier worthless decrepid life behind bars in luxury.

I agree. Prison is retarded. It doesn't make any sense to give people a looooong time-out and expect them to emerge magically cured of what got them there.

The pathology involved in these two acts are totally different. DSM-IV lists alcoholism as a substance disorder and this guy would likely fall under a personality disorders. Personality disorders are much harder to to treat and have very high recidivism. As far as modern psychology is concerned these are not comparable.

I agree that they are different, but feel compelled to again assert that recovery for both can be attained. Harder to treat? Yup. But if it can be treated, it must be somewhat analogous to an illness. So why are we willing to spend millions on chemo and surgery for cancer but so ready to kill the killer who suffers from his thoughts? Why is it okay to kill him for his illness while the cancer patient gets a chance? Obviously if I developed cancer, I'd die because I'm poor, but the point is there.

This guy made a decision to kill.

And is it a well-adjusted person who chooses to kill of his own accord? No. Thus, the decision came from flawed thinking. Flawed thinking which can be corrected.

 

[Lepisosteus platyrhincus]

wow, we are keeping this quite civilized. thanks guys!! im enjoying this conversation


And to farther along my previous statement, We would rather lay off ff and cops, give them unpaid days off and give them pay cuts, and endanger everybodys life(we do save lives!) so we can keep him alive behind bars.

Operator "im sorry mam, but the nearist fire station near u was shut down because of budget woes. the police too. I realise you'v been stabbed and are bleedin profusely but its gonna be 20 min untill the nearest unit can reach u. I hope the person that stabbed u doesnt come back"

 

[SumoNinja]

Hmm. I never thought that far. I've worked with ex-cons and veterans. I was more watchful, but not afraid. If I weren't married to a scaredy-wife, yeah. I think I'd share a room with a recovering killer. I hope I'm not using her as an excuse. Soul-searching time for knifegill...

I do know that if I were the killer, I'd want the chance, no matter how late it came.

yea, i think we all can try to imagine what it'd be like to be a victim's spouse/close family member but we really don't know how we'd feel unless we were to actually be in that position.

closest i am to experiencing that is something that happened before I was born. one of my dad's cousin got into it with another guy he knew. one guy threatens to kill my dad's cousin and my dad's cousin shot and killed him. this happened in my native country. well, the victim's family literally got together shortly after, grabbed my dad's cousin and took him away. beat him near death for about a day before eventually executing him.

i dont' know if justice was served or what but one thing is, you get this empty feeling about it after it's all over. even if this guy killed 2 people, once they execute him, i'll still have this bad feeling afterwards.

i do support the death penalty though