Went To Alligator Alley

[armac]

To those who love you to jump on the kill all non natives wagon....I can understand where you're coming from, but would appreciate it if you reserved your comments to something you knew more about.

Comparing almost any body of water, to the water systems in South Florida is pointless. What you know as invasive species devestating your fish populations is not what happens here. There is barely a main rd in Miami that doesnt have a canal running with it. What I mean to say is, the fish have MORE than enough space and have all found their niche in our ecosystems. Natives and non natives live side by side without issues. If anything, Our natives are flourishing from feeding on non natives.

Our largest problem doesnt even come from species vs species issues, its the eroding canal walls from pleco burrying for nests. Its easy to place your 2 cents in, but they carry more weight when you have first hand experience and have seen how things down here actually work.

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[aussiemonsters]

"I will post some pics"

That would be great.


12 c is on the cold side imagine die offs during winter and than fish repopulate come warmer temps?

I am surprised that Peacock bass can make it long in 16 c but you did say that was low side. They seem to be the most heat loving of all the non native fish here.

I am no expert on fish but the Mozambique I have seen have huge lips (males). This pic which I got off a site doesnt do the male justice.
It looks like young male. http://fishbase.org/Photos/PicturesSummary.php?ID=3&what=species

Here they seem rare as even in this forum never heard of anyone catching or seeing them. I know only one area that has them.

I would think your introduced PB would also eat natives?

Louie I was refering to the Florida PBs we have none as it is too cold. I have posted some pics in another thread of our "mossambicus" in the fishing forum.
Steve.

 

[Louie]

Louie I was refering to the Florida PBs we have none as it is too cold. I have posted some pics in another thread of our "mossambicus" in the fishing forum.
Steve.

Okay thank you

 

[Louie]

To those who love you to jump on the kill all non natives wagon....I can understand where you're coming from, but would appreciate it if you reserved your comments to something you knew more about.

Comparing almost any body of water, to the water systems in South Florida is pointless. What you know as invasive species devestating your fish populations is not what happens here. There is barely a main rd in Miami that doesnt have a canal running with it. What I mean to say is, the fish have MORE than enough space and have all found their niche in our ecosystems. Natives and non natives live side by side without issues. If anything, Our natives are flourishing from feeding on non natives.

Our largest problem doesnt even come from species vs species issues, its the eroding canal walls from pleco burrying for nests. Its easy to place your 2 cents in, but they carry more weight when you have first hand experience and have seen how things down here actually work.

S.Florida esp Miami is a very unusual,different place . Its one of those places that untill you live it you dont understand it and not just the politics lol.

I was walking the canal at lunch time and people were catching LARGE pike and lots bowfin on live minnows in an area that you might catch one or two but not in bulk.

I think these fish are hungry its unnatural for a mouth of a canal to be catching pike and bowfin ESP big Pike with ease.
The cichlids as you know arent going to chase them off so its not like their deaths opened up a space for pike.

These big pike were looking for food.

To bad as usual everyone regardless of size was kept.

 

[Louie]

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There has been die off near ocean shore. Which is weird as would think fish would simply go deep. I dont understand why fish in sea would die.

My father in law said lots dead red fish (not sure if thats exact name).

 

[MN_Rebel]

thats nice Chain pickerel, not pike but a closest relative

 

[MultispeciesTamer]

To those who love you to jump on the kill all non natives wagon....I can understand where you're coming from, but would appreciate it if you reserved your comments to something you knew more about.

Comparing almost any body of water, to the water systems in South Florida is pointless. What you know as invasive species devestating your fish populations is not what happens here. There is barely a main rd in Miami that doesnt have a canal running with it. What I mean to say is, the fish have MORE than enough space and have all found their niche in our ecosystems. Natives and non natives live side by side without issues. If anything, Our natives are flourishing from feeding on non natives.

Our largest problem doesnt even come from species vs species issues, its the eroding canal walls from pleco burrying for nests. Its easy to place your 2 cents in, but they carry more weight when you have first hand experience and have seen how things down here actually work.

so if they belong why are they dieing? They are not suited for the environment.

 

[MeiTnerium109]

so if they belong why are they dieing? They are not suited for the environment.

Natives are dying of the cold too, not just nonnatives.

 

[CichlidPharmer]

Went around our lake today. Still did not see any dead fish floating around. If they died during the freezing temps recently they would have surfaced by now and the whole neighborhood would be stinky.

Saw numerous tilapia foraging by the walls of the lake, and a lone juvenile PB around 5 inches lurking by the shoreline waiting for his snack. Also saw two huge Pacus, at least 2 feet each roaming around. I've seen some adult PBs earlier in the week but not today.

Had my camera ready to take pics but no PB showed up for picture taking.

This will have to do for now. A picture of PB survivors of the 2010 freeze in the garage tank, they were hatched from eggs collected last August.

 

[MultispeciesTamer]

Natives are dying of the cold too, not just nonnatives.

you will always have some native die off