Wild Fish..... Economics

[ira]

Wow! is all I can say after working my way through this wall of text...

Matt

That cant be all Matt your usual MO is to start a poll. Try this one "Which Vendors Sells The Most Wild Caught Fish" or pehaps
" Which Vendor Has The Best Prices" or "Which Vendor Has The Worst Prices" "Best Practices" "Worst Practices" this is a good one
"Has His Friends attack Other Vendors" . Its a Fact that Don Conkels is not a vendor on this forum as I stated in my "text" he does not compete in this market and the vendors here do not compete in his. Therefore when you mention his fish you are talking about me. The picture of the wild caught JD brought out your claws, the pics of the wild P. sp Catemaco and the C godmani recently posted drew an automatic negative response from Chris and has led to this thread. If your vendor of choice had sold those fish you crew would have fallen all over themselves to copliment him and the fish. FACT you and your crew refuse to name shady vendors but continue to rumor that they hurting the hobby. Fact the vendor you speak of is me. I could be wrong but the FACT you guys throw rocks and duck behind the bushes. FACT is you have zero facts to back up yopur accusations. FACT is everyone on this forum knows exactly what is going on. FACT is I'm going to keep the light on you and your crew when you try to smear me. If you guys have nothing good or truthful to say then maybe a good nap is in order.

 

[cchhcc]

. And cchhcc(aka chris) why do you all ways start negative threads when someone gets a fish from conkels or ira then turn around and call them trying to get fish(confused)

Show me that thread. I don't know where you're getting this. I won't apologize for verifying sources prior to purchasing.

Your old thread did get derailed. That's for sure. But any controversy would have ended with simple answers regarding their source.

Let's get back on topic.....

 

[cchhcc]

Its a Fact that Don Conkels is not a vendor on this forum as I stated in my "text" he does not compete in this market and the vendors here do not compete in his. Therefore when you mention his fish you are talking about me. The picture of the wild caught JD brought out your claws, the pics of the wild P. sp Catemaco and the C godmani recently posted drew an automatic negative response from Chris and has led to this thread.

What the F are you talking about? In my prior post I indicated my LFS sells DCT fish, and I have reread that thread twice and still don't know where you're getting your opinion.

 

[dogofwar]

A couple of thoughts:

A fish caught in the wild - whether at 1" or 10" - remains wild caught even after living in a fish tank or pond. Anyone disagree?

The offspring of fish collected in the wild and bred in captivity - whether "captivity" means a tank or pond in Florida, Central America, or Botswana - are F1. Anyone disagree?

I'm not sure what the preoccupation is with wild fish....especially their "walmart-scale" extraction from native habitats.

Having worked with wild fish...and offspring of wild fish...true F1 and F2 fish (i.e. with provenance to a particular location) tend to be healthier, more colorful, more sociable and easier to breed than true wild caught fish. I believe that the mythology that anything other than wild caught fish are "pure" is a real problem for our hobby (to say nothing of conservation of habitats)...

Matt

 

[ira]

What the F are you talking about? In my prior post I indicated my LFS sells DCT fish, and I have reread that thread twice and still don't know where you're getting your opinion.

FACT your are on badoscars tread the JD thread the poll thread hating on this man you know he has great quality fish so you get them when you can. Then you throw the rocks and duck behind the bushes that makes you a super hypocrite. FACT is these threads are available for all to read and we do, I am not wasting my time to post the comments but for anyone who checks the fact is you hate that man and me too JUST SAY IT CHRIS IT WILL MAKE YOU SO MUCH BETTER. If I'm not the unscrupulous vendor of whom you speak then who is MFK would like to know so we can stop being taken. Now unless you want the MFK community and the hobby to continue be duped tell us about these people. The light is on and its getting brighter.

 

[capefeartarheel]

That cant be all Matt your usual MO is to start a poll. Try this one "Which Vendors Sells The Most Wild Caught Fish" or pehaps
" Which Vendor Has The Best Prices" or "Which Vendor Has The Worst Prices" "Best Practices" "Worst Practices" this is a good one
"Has His Friends attack Other Vendors" . Its a Fact that Don Conkels is not a vendor on this forum as I stated in my "text" he does not compete in this market and the vendors here do not compete in his. Therefore when you mention his fish you are talking about me. The picture of the wild caught JD brought out your claws, the pics of the wild P. sp Catemaco and the C godmani recently posted drew an automatic negative response from Chris and has led to this thread. If your vendor of choice had sold those fish you crew would have fallen all over themselves to copliment him and the fish. FACT you and your crew refuse to name shady vendors but continue to rumor that they hurting the hobby. Fact the vendor you speak of is me. I could be wrong but the FACT you guys throw rocks and duck behind the bushes. FACT is you have zero facts to back up yopur accusations. FACT is everyone on this forum knows exactly what is going on. FACT is I'm going to keep the light on you and your crew when you try to smear me. If you guys have nothing good or truthful to say then maybe a good nap is in order.

WOW! I have NEVER seen such an arrogant, narcissistic & ignorant group of posts on MFK since Ive been here.

Hey Ira, youre not the first to sell Don Conkel. Youre a No0b to this game kid. This discussion about Don, his fish, his practices, his ethics etc has been going on for years, so dont feel the need to jump in, 10 months in the game (with YOUR crew) and act like the legal defense counsel for DCT.

And talk about a crew...caribemob, flowerpower and buddha1200 go around her disputing every comment made about any fishes origin legitimacy as your mouthpieces. They have HURT your business, especially caribemob with his TOTAL ignorance on ANY topic, condescension to anyone not sporting the latest F0 fish, street thug mentality, subtle racist comments, childish one liners and his "oh so funny" arrogant threads ALL titled F0 blah blah blah...then making comments on beautiful fish pics asking what "F" they are (only to find out they are petsmart fish) and you NEVER pull the reigns in on them, so they have done nothing but contribute to any sort of animosity towards you by others on here.

I was interested in your stock and in placing an order with you until I saw the constant belittling by "your crew" of others, their arrogance on threads (especially when they seriously dont even know what they are talking about) and then to see you jump in here like you are Don, know Don, have been with Don for 30 yrs etc etc etc...

Your biggest problems are the ignorant mouthpieces you verbally support on MFK, that going around bragging on you. Do you read their comments? Do you see what they say to others and the ABSOLUTE asinine responses they make to people? Its not your place to do anything about it I guess, but if it were me and they were out there telling everyone to come to me, Id damn sure ask them to tone it down about 100 notches. It only makes you look as mis-informed as them.

On top of that and back on topic, LOTS of people, DCT included, have been calling pond raised fish F0 for years, regardless if they are TRULY wild caught. It goes under the assumption that if, you caught fish 20 yrs ago in CA (thats Central America for those of you in Rio Linda) and put it in a pond, its wild. Since its in a pond and not an aquarium, any fry born are wild as well. I dont think fry born in a pond from WC parents are wild, but whatever. I have had many fish from Don over the years and will continue to buy from him and several other vendors here and in other places.

 

[BigPic]

I agree completely. But how do we fix something that is now wildly used as the norm. Personally I think they should just be called wild, first generation, and from there it doesn't matter.

Nobody asked me though.

I think that people should just need to understand the terms before throwing them out there is all. . .

 

[ira]

Good points Chris. I'm not sure who the vendor is that you are referring, but if they collect and raise the fish in CA, they're not F0 fish IMHO. F0 fish come from a river/lake/stream and go into a tank.

Now that said, I can speak from personal experience and give you an example with the fish that i have brought back from collecting trips. More often than not, i am looking for a breeding pair and a spare. If I bring home six or seven of one species I generally will keep what I want and give or sell the other away. Im not the norm as I don't regularly do that. Unfortunately I would speculate that there is a percentage out there that use the F0 label as a means to increase the cost/value of the fish. I mean...how would you know for sure???

FACT Mojo stated that a "if they collect and raise the fish in Central America ther're F0 fish IMHO" Mo also is not sure about who the unscrupulous vendor is. The light is on guys just say its me and get it over with the truth will set you free.

 

[dogofwar]

Again - Wow!

The blurry picture of a "wild" JD resulted in me asking the questions:

• What is the collection location for this fish?
• Who is collecting wild JD?
• How did they obtain collecting permits in Mexico...when Mexico isn't issuing many collecting permits

Pretty simple questions. Lot's of defensiveness and drama in the responses.... not unlike in this thread.

Matt

That cant be all Matt your usual MO is to start a poll. Try this one "Which Vendors Sells The Most Wild Caught Fish" or pehaps
" Which Vendor Has The Best Prices" or "Which Vendor Has The Worst Prices" "Best Practices" "Worst Practices" this is a good one
"Has His Friends attack Other Vendors" . Its a Fact that Don Conkels is not a vendor on this forum as I stated in my "text" he does not compete in this market and the vendors here do not compete in his. Therefore when you mention his fish you are talking about me. The picture of the wild caught JD brought out your claws, the pics of the wild P. sp Catemaco and the C godmani recently posted drew an automatic negative response from Chris and has led to this thread. If your vendor of choice had sold those fish you crew would have fallen all over themselves to copliment him and the fish. FACT you and your crew refuse to name shady vendors but continue to rumor that they hurting the hobby. Fact the vendor you speak of is me. I could be wrong but the FACT you guys throw rocks and duck behind the bushes. FACT is you have zero facts to back up yopur accusations. FACT is everyone on this forum knows exactly what is going on. FACT is I'm going to keep the light on you and your crew when you try to smear me. If you guys have nothing good or truthful to say then maybe a good nap is in order.

 

[dogofwar]

Are you arguing that the offspring of two wild caught Mexican fish, raised in a pond or tank in say, Costa Rica, are still "wild caught" / F0 because they're raised somewhere in Central America?

FACT Mojo stated that a "if they collect and raise the fish in Central America ther're F0 fish IMHO" Mo also is not sure about who the unscrupulous vendor is. The light is on guys just say its me and get it over with the truth will set you free.