Wild Fish..... Economics

[buddha1200]

Capefeartarheels I hav e never posted a ignorant response to anyone else except cchhcc,that is because every time I post about one of iras fish and he post somthing negative I start receiving pm's and other messaages attacking me,resently I posted a picture of another fish and received a pm about it being a hybrid from conkels and it turn out the fish I posted was from rapps,so before you speak on my behalf and down me as ignorant(know the whole story first)and as for the rest of this thread I hope it doesn't go to far out of hand.and as I always say in my threads have a great day evryone(but I guess that is igornant too)

 

[dogofwar]

On behalf of the 18 people trying to follow this thread, please use punctuation and spacing.

Thanks,
Matt

 

[ira]

WOW! I have NEVER seen such an arrogant, narcissistic & ignorant group of posts on MFK since Ive been here.

Hey Ira, youre not the first to sell Don Conkel. Youre a No0b to this game kid. This discussion about Don, his fish, his practices, his ethics etc has been going on for years, so dont feel the need to jump in, 10 months in the game (with YOUR crew) and act like the legal defense counsel for DCT.

And talk about a crew...caribemob, flowerpower and buddha1200 go around her disputing every comment made about any fishes origin legitimacy as your mouthpieces. They have HURT your business, especially caribemob with his TOTAL ignorance on ANY topic, condescension to anyone not sporting the latest F0 fish, street thug mentality, subtle racist comments, childish one liners and his "oh so funny" arrogant threads ALL titled F0 blah blah blah...then making comments on beautiful fish pics asking what "F" they are (only to find out they are petsmart fish) and you NEVER pull the reigns in on them, so they have done nothing but contribute to any sort of animosity towards you by others on here.

I was interested in your stock and in placing an order with you until I saw the constant belittling by "your crew" of others, their arrogance on threads (especially when they seriously dont even know what they are talking about) and then to see you jump in here like you are Don, know Don, have been with Don for 30 yrs etc etc etc...

Your biggest problems are the ignorant mouthpieces you verbally support on MFK, that going around bragging on you. Do you read their comments? Do you see what they say to others and the ABSOLUTE asinine responses they make to people? Its not your place to do anything about it I guess, but if it were me and they were out there telling everyone to come to me, Id damn sure ask them to tone it down about 100 notches. It only makes you look as mis-informed as them.

On top of that and back on topic, LOTS of people, DCT included, have been calling pond raised fish F0 for years, regardless if they are TRULY wild caught. It goes under the assumption that if, you caught fish 20 yrs ago in CA (thats Central America for those of you in Rio Linda) and put it in a pond, its wild. Since its in a pond and not an aquarium, any fry born are wild as well. I dont think fry born in a pond from WC parents are wild, but whatever. I have had many fish from Don over the years and will continue to buy from him and several other vendors here and in other places.

Everyone speaks for him or herself anyone who supports me defends me when they feel it necessary has every right to do so. I advise them just to let this stuff go and no feed the fire. FACT DCT is not a vendor on this site and each of these blow ups comr right after a posting of fish someane has recieved. Its a free market each member is smart to spend their money how and where they please but until the unscupulus vendors get named who are we to believe they are? If anyone I knew posted that about a vendor here I would demand the say who it is or pull that post, I would be ashamed of that person my friends and supporters dont play that game when they about someone they name names.

 

[armac]

FACT Mojo stated that a "if they collect and raise the fish in Central America ther're F0 fish IMHO" Mo also is not sure about who the unscrupulous vendor is. The light is on guys just say its me and get it over with the truth will set you free.

You missed the word NOT...............


"Good points Chris. I'm not sure who the vendor is that you are referring, but if they collect and raise the fish in CA, they're not F0 fish IMHO. F0 fish come from a river/lake/stream and go into a tank."

 

[ira]

You missed the word NOT...............


"Good points Chris. I'm not sure who the vendor is that you are referring, but if they collect and raise the fish in CA, they're not F0 fish IMHO. F0 fish come from a river/lake/stream and go into a tank."

If they are wild caught and you raise them in a tank, pond or toilet bowl they are still F0 if thats wrong then please explain the difference.
Thanks...Ira

 

[bob965]

If they are wild caught and you raise them in a tank, pond or toilet bowl they are still F0 if thats wrong then please explain the difference.
Thanks...Ira

I put some F0 brown trout in a toilet bowl this morning.

 

[cchhcc]

Capefeartarheels I hav e never posted a ignorant response to anyone else except cchhcc,that is because every time I post about one of iras fish and he post somthing negative

Back it up Buddy!..... I mean, Buddha!

Seriously, please provide links. I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I just want to understand what I could have said to set you off?



I suppose my request for civility continues to be ignored! One more time, let's change the tone and be a little less antagonistic.

Back on topic, does anyone care to comment on my LFS example? It just floors me how many incredible fish they lose to aggression and other mistreatment. They have a huge "general pets" department that I'm sure pays the bills, but they are also the largest fish dealer in my region by far!

 

[BigPic]

never mind

 

[jgentry]

Wow Ira! I wasn't trying to target you in any way. I don't even know where that's coming from.

I've got fish from DCT swimming in my tank right now. To imply that I have an axe to grind against DCT is just plain wrong. The very fact that I'm addressing the economics of wild fish collection and sale should do nothing but HELP YOUR business too as it may clear out some of the unscrupulous sellers out there. Heck, I even tried to buy female Rio Heredia dovii from you, but you didn't want to split up pairs. My offer to buy any widows still stands.

As for my "crew" I can't be responsible for what other people say. You are attributing comments to me that must be coming from someone else.

Back on topic, and to give some relevance to my "third party comments," there is a LFS in my area selling wild fish from the DCT stocklist. I just want to know how they can sell, for instance, a large Lyonsi pair for $99 and still make money. They got ten fish in, and I just watch them pick each other off over the course of several months. As is the case with most of their large cichlids, they lose more to aggression than they ever sell. How can they stay in business doing that? They also carry guttalattus, syns, carpintis, fene, nour, roberts, argentea, godmani, intermedia, bifas, gibbiceps, etc.........and many to most of those fish never sell before they die or until they lower their prices to ridiculous levels (which, interestingly enough, match the wholesale pricing on the DCT list). So, basically, they are making NO profit on many of those fish (actually probably losing $ when upkeep and overhead is calculated).

Please don't read anything into this thread that isn't explicitly stated. It's not my intent to be cute or mysterious with my words. Another forum member of note does that, and I think it's really shameful.

I think the fact is that most LFS do not understand the needs of large CA fish and that is why they loose them. If they are buy large CA cichlids from DCT and are putting them all together then that is what they get. Most LFS have a lot of tanks in the 20-30g range and you cannot keep large CA fish in these tanks other then by themselves. Some store do have large tanks but what would you expect to happen when you put 10 CA adult fish in a tank? If they are buying smaller fish then they should buy enough to keep the tanks well stocked to keep agression down. You will still loose a couple but not that many. I grow out spawns of CA fish in 50g tanks to about 2-4 before selling them off and have very little issues. If they are buying large fish they should only put one per tank or have a huge tank. Otherwise they are asking for trouble. Very few LFS are going to buy more then a couple large fish anyway because they are expensive and hard to sell.

They certainly can't make a profit if they are loosing a lot of there CA fish but in the end that is on them for not providing them proper housing. I doubt DCT has this issue becuase they are raised in huge ponds (at least from my understanding, someone please correct me if I'm wrong) were aggression is much less.

 

[armac]

If they are wild caught and you raise them in a tank, pond or toilet bowl they are still F0 if thats wrong then please explain the difference.
Thanks...Ira

You quoted something and misread it, that was my point. Do not blow things out of proportion.