96 x 30 x 24 Tank and Arowana Species

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Do you like pre filter sponges? I tried using before but everytime I'd take em off to rinse ,so much particulates would come off as I would pull em... makes quit the mess!
Shut off filter pull them off and syphon out debris. I was maintaining a couple of tanks for the exs boss this is how I set them up and did maintenance. It was a breeze. I put a coarse sponge on intake, the bio in a mesh bag with a finer sponge in front at first. The fine sponge caused issues so I pulled the fine one and found a medium one for the intake, seemed best option for both filtration and maintenance.
 

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Shut off filter pull them off and syphon out debris. I was maintaining a couple of tanks for the exs boss this is how I set them up and did maintenance. It was a breeze. I put a coarse sponge on intake, the bio in a mesh bag with a finer sponge in front at first. The fine sponge caused issues so I pulled the fine one and found a medium one for the intake, seemed best option for both filtration and maintenance.
Either way I think he already has canisters planned out and bought.
Maybe a canister of bio and some 110 for mechanical?...
 
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What SDs are you gonna go with?

Good question -- and as OP has now made clear that "he's not going to start with an Arowana", which is a wise decision (good on 'ya Zugs, plenty of time to go that route later), it would be appropriate and more helpful toward his efforts if he started out a new thread in the "Other Characins" sub-forum https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forums/other-characins.234/ -- I think most can agree this particular thread has run its course for now.

Gentlemen and ladies, the ethical argument concerning the aro is over. We are now moving on to the ethical argument of how many SDs can be tastefully crammed into this 300 gallon tank.

Well lets see.....the golden rule is 1"/gallon so ive seen sds at my lfs at 2" so 300÷2= 150. 155! Just in case a couple die.
Obviously I'm kidding. Id think 8 to 12 would be a good starting point. Ofcoarse we'll need to touch on filtration first.
I really like and forgive me I forgot who said it the ac110s idea. Fill them full of biomedia and put intake sponges on them.
Okay so the tank is 96"L x 30"W x 27"H now. The tank maker was able to make a last minute change. Going 30" tall was way too expensive so I said 27" would be good. Will this be enough for an Asian comm? Maybe yes maybe no. We'll see when I get there. Probably not that much different then a 24" but I figure the extra height cannot hurt. But that ship has sailed anyway. We're off that topic. Just wanted to provide the update.

And I'm using two Ehiem 2262's instead of two Fluval FX6's now.

In terms of SD's I'm thinking of either getting just Wide Bars or a combo of Wide Bars, Thin Bars and Blackberry's. But I guess if I want to get into that I should create a new thread as some people are saying.
 
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For media for the Eheim 2262's I have the following:

Seapora 4040 Filter Floss Aquarium Filter Pad, 10 sq. ft./12" x 120" x1
Eheim 2510751 Substrat Pro Biological Filter Media (Sintered Pearl-Shaped Glass) 5L x6
Eheim AEH2507051 Mech Filter Media for Aquarium, 1-Liter x1
Seachem Purigen 1 Liter x1
Eheim 2507751 Mech Mechanical Pre-Filtering Medium (Hollow Ceramic Rings) 5L x1
2″ Poret® Foam Sheets 19.5 x 19.5 Blue 10 PPI
 
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Why do you want to go there?
Obviously by my other posts I dont think any life is insignificant.
I am still on the side that arowana require more specialized care and more experienced keepers then some other fish.
So with that being said the silver dollars would probably be a good start. Which if you had read anything I posted before, I have been saying all along. I even said a good amount in a 300g would look quite nice.
So no I don't get your point because youve only been paying half attention to what myself and others have said. Ive read and thought about everything youve said id appreciate the same consideration from you.
Easier for me to reply on a PC, pardon the delay

care to share how much more specialized care is required as compared to the SDs?

I shall start first in why i think they are similar

Food - both require food and would likely be available in a LFS or supermarket
Water - both need clean water and water change. Between an arowana and SDs comm, i would guesstimate that both will require similar regime
Lighting - no specialised lighting required
Heavy lids - both jump. and it's good fishkeeping practices to have lids regardless if you have jumpers or not.
Filtration - both requires adequate filtration
Hardy - i don't see the arowana less hardy than a SD. Eg: high nitrates, some ammonia, etc.
 

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Easier for me to reply on a PC, pardon the delay

care to share how much more specialized care is required as compared to the SDs?

I shall start first in why i think they are similar

Food - both require food and would likely be available in a LFS or supermarket
Water - both need clean water and water change. Between an arowana and SDs comm, i would guesstimate that both will require similar regime
Lighting - no specialised lighting required
Heavy lids - both jump. and it's good fishkeeping practices to have lids regardless if you have jumpers or not.
Filtration - both requires adequate filtration
Hardy - i don't see the arowana less hardy than a SD. Eg: high nitrates, some ammonia, etc.
Well been down this road so Ok...
You got me exactly the same no specialized care required. All fish in fact are exactly the same care requirement. Every fish is for beginners doesnt matter if you have any experience or not. Hey if they die who cares RIGHT! You can just buy another one its just money. Wow you just opened my eyes to a whole new world of less responsibility! Thanks!
 

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G Galantspeedz Lol.

care to share how much more specialized care is required as compared to the SDs?
It's a long read but yes, in fact I do :)

Food/Feeding - SD's are much easier to feed in general -- just throw in pellets and watch 'em go -- no stress or barely any time involved, they'll hardily eat most anything thrown in the tank. Arowana on the other hand can be VERY finicky if not frustratingly whimsical eaters. Besides pellets (hopefully), many want to eat live or frozen food which takes much longer to prepare and feed (if you don't want to make a nitrate factory mess with left over food in your tank). And they're liable to change their tastes any time and without warning. After 6 months of wolfing down pangasius filets, my BBXB suddenly decided she didn't like it anymore, but will eat Asian sea bass. Next month, who knows? She used to eat any kind of shrimp -- a couple of months ago she stopped eating any kind of completely white shrimp and will only eat shrimp that has some red coloring. Weird? Yes. Frustrating? Yes. SD owners have to worry about similar? No.

Maybe others aren't as cool or relaxed as you, but feeding Arowana can often be way more troublesome than SD's -- personally it pisses the crap out of me when my Aros sometimes go on pellet strikes. Besides wasting money on the food I've thrown into the tank, I have to spend time taking out the uneaten pellets. Time is money. Just go to 2 sub-forums of Arowana and SD's (other Characins) and compare the amount of threads about members having problems feeding their fish. Many Aro owners are quite distraught about it. Also as others have mentioned Aros sometimes go on hunger strikes for no apparent reason -- leaving the owner perplexed if it's just whim or if maybe it has some health issue. I've never seen SD owners having this problem, have you? Of course not every Arowana is a fussy or difficult eater, but overall the difference in care/difficulty here is kind of like "duh".

Water - Yeah really no difference.

Lighting - Lol, how many threads can we see on MFK and across the internet about people confused about "What kind of lighting should I use with my Aro?". Tanning, no tanning? If so how many hours and which light is best? Or with golds, WTT or not? Which background color is best? Lighting 24/7 or not? -- these are all considerations an Asian Arowana owner has to decide about, whereas SD owners simply DO NOT. Just check out the recent thread about the guy with a Sing Arowana who is paranoid to stop WTT & 24/7 lghting because he's scared his fish will lose its golden head and crossing, which he spent a lot of money on to acquire. Have you ever seen SD owners having to learn and worry about stuff like that?? No.

I'm quite sure you are aware that there are a number of grooming processes associated with Asian Arowana in an effort to bring out their best. How many people need to take the time, effort and expense to groom SD's??

Heavy lids - Sure this is good fish keeping practice but you will need a much stronger and secure lid with Aros, the jumping power of the 2 fish isn't even comparable. Also while it sucks to have a $35 fish jump out of a tank and die, it sucks X 10 when a $1,000 fish jumps out of a tank and dies -- naturally the potential of this is much more worrisome for Asian Arowana keepers compared to SD owners -- unless perhaps they're so rich like you that money isn't a matter. Then even if you have glass lids (I personally wouldn't use glass lids with Aros), you have to be concerned about your Arowana jumping up and bashing its head on the hard glass, which could kill it or cause drop eye. I've never heard about SD owners worrying about this -- have you?

Filtration - Yes both require adequate filtration.

Hardy - You blew off RD's point about PLJ & Dropeye as simply cosmetic issues. Perhaps essentially you are right but you can't tell me that most people whose $1,500 perfect Super Red or Xback suddenly develops dropeye wouldn't be super sad and disappointed about it -- call me superficial but I sure would be. Just go to Arowana dedicated forums and you can see many people almost crying about dropeye and begging for help/advice. Do SD owners face this issue, stress or possible disappointment?? No.

Also nobody mentioned about HLLE, which Asian Aro are more susceptible to compared to SD's given that their lateral line system is more sensitive -- HLLE is not only a cosmetic issue, and can lead to death of a fish.

And you forgot a few, let me help:
Aggressiveness: Yes some if not many Asian Arowana are chill (esp. when older), but some are not (esp. when younger). I have one that often attacks nets and siphons, he's quite territorial. It can be a PIA and I also have to be concerned that he might jump out the tank when doing so. Also both my Aros have jumped up and bitten my hand/finger when cleaning the tank (though not for a while now) -- how many SD owners have to worry about this? Also SDs can be bothersome to other fish (just like they nipped the fins of Joey King of DIY's Asian and bit off its barbels, very sad that), but Arowana can kill and/or eat other fish much more readily depending on their character and disposition. Have you ever heard of an otherwise calm SD that suddenly went beserko and destroyed every inhabitant in the tank just for fun, like Jardini are know to do sometimes do?

Emotional attachment: Maybe not fair to the fish but are you seriously going to tell us that you were equally emotionally attached to your SD's compared to your Asian Arowana?? So when either of them got sick, injured or died you felt the same amount of sadness and were equally upset, right? Lol, either you're a fibber or a robot without measurable emotions. IMO it's much easier to get emotionally attached to Asian Arowana because they have more character than SDs and seem to be a much more intelligent fish (it's how they've survived for a 100 million years). In the same way most people get more emotionally attached to dolphins and whales compared to other marine creatures, it's not surprising that many people become more emotionally attached to an Arowana compared to an SD.

Investment: I've touched on this several times above. And yes from an ethical perspective it's not so nice to care more about one fish than another because it costs more. HOWEVER, the reality is from a practical perspective, when we're talking a $1,000-$2,000 fish vs. a $35 fish, it's completely natural for most people to be even more upset when there are problems. If you crashed your Porsche or your Ford Fiesta, which would make you more upset? Many people work hard and save a lot of money to get their 'Dream Fish' Asian Arowana -- to compare losing this Dream Fish to say an SD is quite ludicrous, even if it is morally unfair. (btw lol, since when are you concerned about fish keeping morality? -- clearly only when it's convenient for your argument).

Basically to take your overall argument a step further would entail maintaining that keeping a guppy is the same as keeping an Asian Arowana. Lol, good luck in convincing us of this, but I wouldn't doubt you'll try in vain due to loss of face that your main argument has been blown out of the water. Keeping SD's (or gold fish or African cichlids, etc.) is NOT the same as keeping an Asian Arowana (or a Silver or Jardini for that matter). Next you'll be telling us that keeping an Arapaima is just as easy as keeping a Flagtail...yeah right.

By continuing this line of thought you are doing a big disservice to new potential Arowana owners, esp. total newbies like OP who will be in a shock when they find out the reality that it's simply not as easy and carefree as you are irresponsibly implying.
 
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