Petsmart dirty secret?

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burnse;1458210; said:
There are a lot of problems with this. One is that modern PETA members seem to not care about what PETA used to be. They only get out there and protest and send out shock fliers and videos. They are *******s. And so is Ingrid Newkirk. It's not entirely her fault though, as she is now in charge of a huge organization and doesn't have all of the power. At least she's got the good intentions. Heck, she even cares about fish and lobsters as much as the rest. I used to support them because I am a vegetarian (and it's for every reason under the sun, so you know). I had no idea how they went about doing their business until about 4 years ago. People have a right to eat meat and all, if they so choose, and I think it's wrong to try and change their minds the way PETA does. I don't even really care if people eat meat - it's not up to me (it's the cruelty that bothers me). So **** PETA.
They had good intentions (and I hope they still do), but at the end of the day, good intentions don't amount to much.

And as for PETsMART, well, I work for them. I also happen to work at one that employs people who actually care a lot about all animals and do whatever is necessary to keep them healthy. At the location I work at, we treat all of the animals like our own pets until someone wants to take one home. We have all signed contracts in which we swore to do whatever is necessary (and pay whatever vet bills may come up) to ensure the wellbeing of the animals in our store. Most of the people at my location also regularly deal with kids who insist on having something we know they aren't able/willing to properly care for, and often steer them towards something that is more for them. If there is a problem animal (behavioral problems or deformed or anything like that), one of the employees adopts it.

The only real problem is the large scale animal suppliers. They are always a problem. They just don't care, and sometimes they employ some sick ***holes, but that has nothing to do with the individual PETsMART stores because, as anyone who has ever worked in retail knows, the most power the store manager has is to be able to open and close the store.

So, I guess I just needed to say all that, and most importantly, if I see anyone with PETA propaganda at my PETsMART, I will kindly ask them to leave or enthusiastically kick their ass for their ignorance and direct them towards the corporate headquarters.

Oh, and at my store, our chemical levels are great, but the water is pretty alkaline and very hard (that's just twin cities water).

So, basically...
- PETA sucks
- it isn't Petsmart's fault for buying animals from breeders that practice neglect and cruelty... you work at one and the part-timers are good people.
- PETA sucks again?

I don't understand why people instantly attack PETA when the issue of animal cruelty comes up. Yeah they are wackos etc, but instead of an ad hominem argument against a single group, why don't people discuss the issue at hand?

Forget PETA for one second... all the anti-PETA talk basically allows everyone to forget about the concept of corporate responsibility and ethics.
 
pdbrady;1458259; said:
ABSOLUTELY! Look, I'm the first to fight for animal rights and to stop the ongoing problem that is animal cruelty. I look at life this way.....if they're innocent, they should be spared from any harmful treatment, etc. To me that includes (primarily) women, children, and animals. I would step in on ANY harm being done to ANYONE, but if the victim falls into that list, I swear on my own life I will beat you until you are stuck in a chair for the rest of your life. I AGREE WITH THEIR INTENTIONS.....but their sights are off. At the end of the day it's ALL ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL!





I totally and completely agree with you 100%.
 
Acer;1458322; said:
So, basically...
- PETA sucks
- it isn't Petsmart's fault for buying animals from breeders that practice neglect and cruelty... you work at one and the part-timers are good people.
- PETA sucks again?

I don't understand why people instantly attack PETA when the issue of animal cruelty comes up. Yeah they are wackos etc, but instead of an ad hominem argument against a single group, why don't people discuss the issue at hand?

Forget PETA for one second... all the anti-PETA talk basically allows everyone to forget about the concept of corporate responsibility and ethics.


Don't you talk logical fallacy and change my words.

I didn't say it's not petsmart's fault. I did say that peta is targeting the wrong part of the supply chain. And THAT is because PETA sucks. And everyone speaking negatively against them - well i can't account for that, but I have my reasons for disliking them, which I laid out pretty clearly.

And I think I also addressed the problem at hand. THE SUPPLIERS! Jesus. you can't just read and then write. You must think, reflect, and THEN write. And corporate responsibility doesn't lie in the hands of anyone, ANYONE within a retail outlet. It lies in the hands of those in the offices.

I have a problem with PETA, yes. And if they are outside my store today, they have a problem, too.

The video should have been titled "Large Scale animal suppliers filthy not-so-little secret. It's not even a secret for goodness sake! Just because someone puts it in the spotlight does not mean that it's invisible.

Also think of buying from these places as not only supporting the company, but saving the animals at the same time, if you will. It's like some weak representation of a double edged sword.
 
burnse;1458368; said:
Also think of buying from these places as not only supporting the company, but saving the animals at the same time, if you will. It's like some weak representation of a double edged sword.

:iagree:
 
amesbien;1458221; said:
Yeah, cause exterminating millions of jews deffinately relates to Peta trying to stop animal cruelty. :banher:
:topic:stop taking effence we're talking about animal cruelty i'm sure he didn't mean it.
 
I'm really not going to say much about PETA, except that like many others, while I agree that animals should be treated ethically, I don't agree with PETA's methods.

The major problem I found with the video was the video itself. It was of poor quality, things were hard to see, sometimes when there were subtitles the actual conversation wasn't heard, and it could have shown events which had been taken out of context. I'm not saying that the conditions the animals were kept in weren't bad, I'm just saying the video isn't entirely trustworthy.

For instance, where she said the hamster was crushed purposely, it's hard to tell what's really going on. Yes, you see the hamster crawl out into the shot, but then the woman moves with the box lid and gets in the way and it appears to be suddenly under his foot. You can't tell if he purposely stepped on it or not. We all know how film can be edited to depict events to have happened a way in which they really haven't. (Haven't we all seen up-coming show previews on Fox?)

I'm not defending the supplier, because there are some terrible ones out there. However, I am saying that when watching a video like this, we need to remember to question it. You can't believe everything at face value.
 
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