He was the smallest of the group I got and probably 3.5" without much coloration when I got him. Now he is about 6.5" TL starting to look much better. This is from Nov 2017.Yeah I talked to the imperial people and they said there guessing that their doviis come from the Costa Rican Origin. How big would you say your smaller male is. It has a lot more color than mine does. Mine is around 4 inches